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soudenjapan
Re: 日本よ何処へ:戦勝60周年記念日に岐路に立つ


wchao37,

>最も苦しみながら日本人を打ち負かし、最終的な勝利に最も貢献した戦
>勝国として、これは中国にとって、軽はずみでバカバカしい状況だった。


僕自身は、中国がもしそうしたいのであれば、自分自身を勝利者として描きたがることに特に問題は感じません。しかし正直に言うと日本人は、中国は自己防衛に成功したのではなくアメリカに救ってもらったのだと理解しているように思います。実際、多くの日本人は、なぜ中国がアメリカ人に対し助けに来てくれたことを感謝している所を見かけないのか、また、アメリカ軍が日本を打ち負かしたことに対し感謝している姿をほとんど見ないのか疑問に思っているに違いありません。

>最近の彼らの行動を手がかりとすれば、日本人は次の対中国戦争にお
>いて、同じ間違いを繰り返さないことを熟慮していることは間違いない。


僕の知る限り、日本史の中で日中戦争がメイン・ストーリーとして認識され、描かれたことは無いように思います。通常、メイン・ストーリーである日米間の太平洋戦争に至る文脈、サイド・ストーリーとして扱われています。軍事問題に関心のある人たちが、先の戦争はどのように戦われるべきであったかレビューしながら、戦略問題を議論する場合も、通常話し合われるのはアメリカとの陸、海、空戦であり、中国との戦いではありません。

shanhuang
2点


1.あなたが日本の教科書について述べたことは、日本が第二次大戦を改ざんし日本人に教えている証拠である。

2.第二次大戦で勝利したのは反ファシズム戦線であり、中国は勝利者である。アメリカだけで中国を救うことはできなかった。

中国とソ連の莫大な犠牲がなければ、D-Day(ノルマンディ上陸の日)はなかった。第二次大戦での勝利もなかった。

これだけで十分。

〔soudenjapan: 後は英ガーディアン誌からの記事「第二次大戦にどのように勝利したのか忘れるべきではない:ソ連と中国の犠牲こそが勝利を可能とした。」が紹介されています。一番肝心な部分だけ訳しておきます。〕

「この勝利の物語の蚊帳の外に置かれているのはソ連だけではない。中国人も日本の侵略のために推定2千万人の犠牲者を出している。ソ連軍がドイツ人を動けなくしていたのと同じように、中国軍もソ連軍ほど効果的ではなかったものの、その数ゆえに日本人をアジアから身動きできなくしていた。これは欧米ではほとんど理解されていないが、もし日本が中国にすばやく勝利していたなら、その余力はソ連の後方攻撃に振り向けられていたかもしれないし、あるいは太平洋の兵力はもっと拡充されていたかもしれない。この場合も、もしこのアジアの同盟国による断固とした抵抗がなかったならば、連合国側の犠牲者数は遥かに大きくなっていたことだろう。

最終的には、西洋自由勢力が世界戦略を計画、実行できるかどうかは、連合国の空軍が枢軸国側の領土を爆撃している間、敵をソ連軍と中国軍が水際で抑えておく能力いかんにかかっていた。明日、勝利を祝うに際して、一度立ち止まって、ドイツと日本の侵略を封じ込むために消えていった約5千万のソ連人と中国人に思いをはせてみることは重要である。」



soudenjapan
Re: Whither Japan: at crossroads on V-60 Day.


wchao37,

>As a victor nation which had suffered the most and contributed
>the greatest towards the eventual defeat of the Japanese, this
> was of course a ludicrous situation for post-war China.


I personally don't have any problem with China portraying herself a victor nation, if that's how she wishes to view herself. But, to be honest, my impressioin upon the way how the Japanese understand it is that they feel China was saved by the U.S. rather than saved herself on her own. In fact, there must be many Japanese who are wondering why they rarely see China expressing her gratitude and appreciation to Americans for coming to rescue China and to the U.S. military for defeating Japan.


>If their recent activities can be taken as a guide, it is
>almost certain that they are pondering on how to avoid making
> the same mistakes in their next war against China.


As far as I know, the Second Sino-Japanese War has never been regarded by the public as a main story to be told in the Japanese history. It has always been a side story, more like a context to the Pacific war, the main story, between the U.S. and Japan. When they discuss strategic issues amongst people who are interested in military affairs, reviewing how the war could have been fought differently, they are usually talking about naval, air, and land battles with Americans, not with the Chinese.


shanhuang
2 points


1) What you said about Japanese textbooks is a proof that Japan is whitewashing its people about the WW II.

2) The fact is WW II is victory of a UNITED ANTI-FASCIST FRONT -- China is winner. US alone can't save China.

Wihtout China and Soviet's huge sacrifice there won't be D-Day, won't be WW II victory.

Period.

____________________________________________

We must not forget how World War II was won: It was the Soviet and Chinese sacrifice that made victory possible

Richard Overy
Saturday May 7, 2005
The Guardian

Imagine for a moment that around half the population of Great Britain - men, women and children - died in the second world war. What kind of extraordinary trauma would this represent? How would "victory" in 1945 now be viewed, or even celebrated? Yet 27 million is the estimate of Soviet deaths by the end of the war. Actual British losses represented around 0.6% of the population; American losses were smaller, around 0.3%. But Soviet losses, from war, starvation and repression, represented about 14% of the pre-war population.

These losses were the brutal product of German invasion in 1941 and the Soviet determination to resist that aggression and expel the Germans from their territory. The scarcely credible level of sacrifice exposes just how vast and savage the war on the eastern front was. It was here that the great majority of German casualties occurred. It was here that the war was won or lost, for if the Red Army had not succeeded against all the odds in halting the Germans in 1941 and then inflicting the first major defeats at Stalingrad and Kursk in 1943, it is difficult to see how the western democracies, Britain and the US, could have expelled Germany from its new empire.

By 1945 the material strength of the allies was, of course, overwhelming. The critical point came in the middle years of the war, with the Soviet Union teetering before Stalingrad, Rommel poised to take Egypt, the battle of the Atlantic not yet won and American rearmament in its early stages. Victory was not automatic. Soviet resistance meant the difference. Uncertainly, sometimes incompetently, the Soviet armed forces learned the lessons imposed on them by Germany's panzer armies in 1941. A hasty, improvised set of reforms and an economy geared almost exclusively to armaments turned the feeble efforts of 1941 into the vast setpiece battles from the summer of 1943, every one of which the Soviet side won.

German forces were defeated not by the sheer numbers (by 1943 millions of Soviet soldiers were dead or captive and the Red Army was desperate for men), but by the inventive tactics and sturdy technology of their enemy. If this had not been the case, Hitler's armies would have gone on winning, and a huge German-dominated economic empire in Eurasia would have confronted the western allies with a strategic nightmare.

Of course, it is now argued in the west that Soviet victory left a sour taste. Rather than the liberation brought by the western powers, Soviet liberation ushered in the trappings of the Stalinist state. The cold war after 1945 made it difficult to integrate the Soviet contribution into the collective western memory of the war, while it also allowed the Soviet Union to write the contribution of its allies out of the script.

[snip]

The Soviet Union is not the only state to be written out of the victory story in the west. The Chinese people also lost an estimated 20 million as a result of Japanese aggression. Just as the Soviet armed forces held down the Germans, so the less effective but numerous Chinese armed forces kept the Japanese bogged down in Asia. This is a record that is still almost unknown in the west, yet if Japan had achieved quick victory in China, large resources would have been released for an assault on the rear of the Soviet Union, or a larger military presence in the Pacific. In this case, too, western allied casualties would have been much greater without the stubborn resistance of their Asian ally.

In the end, the western freedom to plan and execute a global strategy depended on the ability of the Soviet and Chinese forces to hold the main enemies at bay while western air forces bombed the Axis motherlands flat. When victory is celebrated tomorrow, it is important that we pause to remember the almost 50 million Soviets and Chinese who perished to contain the imperial aggression of Germany and Japan.

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